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Dec 14, 2014

Jamie Bartlett is the Author of “The Dark Net: Inside the Digital Underworld” and Director of the Centre for the Analysis of Social Media at the think tank Demos.


He heads the Violence and Extremism Programme which researches a range of terrorist and extremist groups.
To research the book he immersed himself in the dark net buying marijuana from the Silk Road, watching the production of internet porn, and meeting with British neo-nazis.

00:00 Trailer.
01:02 Brian’s thoughts on the episode.
07:30 Brian’s introduction
08:03 Getting right into the shocking, hidden, obscured subcultures online.
09:10 Discovering the human element of the two dimensional people seen on the online world.
10:56 Facebook’s role in prevention of lone wolf terrorism as in murder of Lee Rigby.
13:47 Rise of the lone wolf terrorist attack.
14:29 Security is the basis from which all our other liberties ultimately flow.
16:22 Use of modern technology by Jihadist and English far right parties.
20:42 Revelations from a study of Facebook supporters of anti-establishment far right parties.
23:31 Neo Nazi Paul playing to the audience, having a separate online and offline persona.
28:24 Tor and the Silk Road online market place pros and cons.
35:26 Problem of controlling an anonymous market place where anything can be bought and sold.
36:59 Surprised to learn of the power of the market to act in the interest of the consumer.
38:53 Jamie wouldn’t be surprised by a Silk Road app in the future.
40:24 Pornography online, research all in the interests of writing a book.
49:30 Pro-ana sites seemingly supportive communities, but dangerously destructive or deadly.
52:49 Ease of becoming sucked into online communities when searching for knowledge and support.
54:08 The journey most people make into child pornography.
58:50 Consequence of lowering barriers to entry of pornographic or drug access sites.
1:01:11 Jamie’s warning that people need to be aware of increasing normalisation of bad things.
1:02:25 Technology addiction awareness increasing.
1:04:09 Conclusions drawn upon coming to the end of writing the book.
1:07:43 Vilification issues for politicians communicating via the internet.
1:10:09 The future for everyone’s digital footprint.
1:12:43 Future society inequality of intelligent users of the internet and others addicted to its harmful effects.
1:14:34 Jamie’s digital tombstone will show that he just wanted to get people thinking.
1:16:06 Phone call to the 20 year old Jamie Bartlett.
1:17:31 Best advice Jamie has ever received.
1:19:02 Advice to the 20 year olds around the world who want to change the world.
1:20:56 How to access Jamie’s book.
1:25:04 Brian’s summing up.
Show Notes:
Jamie Bartlett on Wikipedia
Jamie Bartlett website
Jamie Bartlett on Twitter
Jamie Bartlett Ted Talk
Centre for the Analysis of Social Media (CASM)
Jamie Bartlett's Book:
The Dark Net
Topics discussed:
The Men Who Stare at Goats
Murder of Lee Rigby
Silk Road

People mentioned in this episode:

Jon Ronson
James Cosmo
Howard Marks
Professor David Nutt 


Music "Cut & Run" & "The Complex" by Kevin MacLeod (